“TIRED OF THE LIES” – (rerun)

This has been expanded since it first ran a few months ago -

“TIRED OF THE LIES”

The Bible is not the “word of God” — it’s a collection of myths and legends borrowed from older, earlier cultures. Most of the stuff in the Bible either never happened, or didn’t happen the way it’s recorded.

The Bible “canon” was created by a committee who chose whatever supported their particular agenda. The gospels are not “eyewitness” accounts — they were written much later to be used as propaganda.

Jesus never existed. He is a carbon-copy of a dozen other savior-gods.
There is no proof for the existence of Jesus outside of the bible. The so-called “proofs” in contemporary secular writings have all been proven false. The Christian religion is a complete hoax. It’s a rip-off/re-hash of Mythraism and other pagan “mystery” cults.

The church is all about money, power and control. There is no such thing as original sin. It’s an imaginary disease invented to sell you an imaginary cure. There is no need for a “savior.”

“God” was invented by people who were ignorant, superstitious and full of fear. Man created “god” in his own image. There may indeed be some kind of “higher power,” but not what we have been told.

There has been more harm done in the name of religion than anything else. Crusades, inquisition, “holy wars” and terrorism, etc., by religious fanatics.

If “Christians” behaved the way they’re supposed to, we wouldn’t have homeless and starving people in the richest country in the world. I’d like to see the rich put their money where it would do some good — after all, you can’t take it with you. I think the most important thing in life is how you treat other people, without the thought of reward or punishment.

Heaven and hell are in your mind. You create your own heaven or hell right here, right now, by your attitude and actions.

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Here we go again – > found this in today’s paper -
(my answer is below – scroll down)

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

Churches make lives better

In response to a recent letter published in the Visalia Times-Delta entitled, “Tired of the Lies”: You challenge the veracity, integrity and reality of the Bible, Jesus, the Church and Christians, but offer no factual basis for your broad sweeping statements and accusations. I assert pretty much everything you stated in your rant is false, and obviously this format does not allow either of us to go into the depth we would need to go to seriously address each accusation.

I would be interested and willing to get together with you to seriously discuss these challenges, of course free, from any polemic. Your charge that if the Church and Christians behaved in a manner congruent with their beliefs, there would be no homelessness and hunger in our affluent society is the one I find most intriguing. Considering the number of organizations and ministries founded in Visalia alone by the Church and Christians, renders your charge baseless. You are obviously unaware that the Visalia Rescue Mission, Habitat for Humanity, Senior Housing, Turning Point, Love INC, Sister Ursula’s Kitchen, Hands in the Community, Care Pregnancy Center, Food Link, Food Pantries (more than 34 in the Visalia area), Good News Jail Ministry, Samaritan Center, Visalia Senior Gleanings, Grace Homes, Koinonia Homes, to name just a few, were all founded by Christians responding to the call of Jesus to love thy neighbor as thyself, and truly changing the lives of countless people for the better.

Michael Messinger

Pastor, First Christian Church, Visalia

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Dear sir,

On the contrary, everything I said is true – the information is out there for those who care to look for it – my statements are not just my opinion, they are the result of 50 years of study on the matter. If you only read Christian propaganda (and that’s what it is) you get a very narrow view, but if you read other things, you’ll find out where they borrowed their ideas from, and believe me, it’s all borrowed from other sources. There is nothing new, original or unique in the bible or the christian religion.

Religion is man-made BS and it’s no more true than ancient mythology. Christian theology was invented in the 4-th century to support the Catholic church, nothing more, nothing less than that.

And yes, I am fully aware of the many ‘charities’ in Visalia. This is a very good community in that sense. However, I would also like to point out that these many charities, while ostensibly benevolent, are in reality attempts to promote the church and win converts.

In my experience, most ‘christians’ are Christian in name only, when in fact they are lying two-faced hypocrites who use their religion as a smokescreen for their true character.

I fail to see how any intelligent, educated person could believe the lie that they are somehow born defective and need to be rescued from a condition that is not their fault. “Sin” is an archery term that refers to missing the mark. It does not mean that one is corrupt or evil and has nothing to do with an imaginary heaven or hell.

> in case you missed the on-line comments:

- all I’m doing is pointing out what I have learned; that religion is man-made BS -
and it’s based on sun-worship. That’s right, S-U-N, the sun in the sky

- anyone who bothers to actually read the bible should be able to see that it is NOT “the word of god” – it’s full of contradictions, errors, misinformation and outright lies

- everything in Christianity is borrowed – one good example is “The Golden Rule” -
Buddha taught that 500 BC, and it is found in some form in every major religion

- did you know that Bible scholarship has changed in the last 200 years ?
– do you know that what they are now teaching in seminary is not what they teach at church ?
– are you aware that if most ministers told you what they really think, then they would be out of a job ! -

> and I have no interest in meeting with you, as you obvious have your mind made up and won’t listen
to anything that conflicts with your beliefs on the subject.

- just because you think something is true, no matter how firmly you believe it, that does not make it so

/s/ Gary P.

“Investigate the facts, please”

A response to a guest editorial by Gary Pete that was published June 22.

Dear Mr. Pete,

I appreciate the fact that we have freedom of speech in this country. I do however question your right to assail a traditional religion without the merit of insight through disciplined investigation. Had you diligently investigated the historical, archaeological, and documentary facts, as others have done, you may have come to a different conclusion.

For your reference, I include three studies from very prominent (Atheist) authors who set out to disprove the veracity of the Holy Bible, even the existence of God. They make not only interesting reading, but are reliable, and make logical sense. Each of these men became believers after their encounter with the risen Christ.

1. “A Case for the Real Christ” by Lee Strobel (ISBN-13: 978-0-310-24210-9)
2. “The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell. (ISBN: 978-0-7852-4219-2)
3. “An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice” by Simon Greenleaf. Excerpts, of his brief, are included in the above reference number 2.

Mr. Pete, I feel that my 26 years of diligent investigation provides me some credibility. I would be delighted to further discuss this subject over coffee, at your convenience. I too dislike religion, but I can attest to a close and personal relationship with Jesus Christ, the Creator of this Universe.

Rodger Marty
Visalia

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Mr Marty -

I hope this finds you well -
you said we could talk, but you neglected to provide a way to contact you

as it happens, I have “Investigated the facts”

you claim to have 26 years of diligent investigation, and you’ve assumed that I did not make “a disciplined investigation.” well, I have spent more than 50 years
looking at both sides of the question and I can state with some certainty that ironically:

“the historical, archaeological, and documentary facts” confirms what I wrote;
the information is out there for those who care to look for it

you sir, are guilty of “confirmation bias” that is, finding only the ‘evidence’ that supports
your conclusions – in other words, only finding the answers that you want to find

and it’s rather amusing that you would cite Lee Strobel, because I’ve read his book,
and I would say that the man is either a liar or a fool; he’s terribly misguided.

Josh McDowell only sees what he want to see, and Simon Greenleaf ignores
the fact that the gospels are fiction.

and no, I don’t wish to meet with you because you obviously have your mind
made up and don’t want to listen to anything that conflicts with your beliefs.

/s/ Gary P

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